Pilates Business Podcast

Meaningful Careers in Pilates with Olivia Bioni

• Seran Glanfield • Season 23 • Episode 222

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In this inspiring episode of The Pilates Business Podcast, host Seran Glanfield sits down with Olivia Bioni—nationally certified Pilates teacher, educator, podcaster, and now author of The Pilates Teacher's Manual. 

Olivia shares how mentorship, storytelling, and authentic connection can help Pilates instructors and studio owners reignite their passion and build sustainable, thriving careers. 

Tune in to hear how Olivia transformed burnout into bold action and why your next best move might not be doing more, but thinking differently. If you're a studio owner feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or uncertain about the future, this is the episode that will remind you why you started and where you can go next. 🌟

Topics covered include:

  • Building a sustainable Pilates career
  • Starting a podcast and writing a book
  • Overcoming imposter syndrome
  • Mentorship and leadership in boutique fitness
  • Creating scalable impact without burnout



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Website: https://pilatesteachersmanual.oliviabioni.com

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Speaker 1:

What if growing your Pilates business didn't mean doing more, but perhaps thinking differently? What if mentorships and meaningful conversations and, yes, even a podcast could be the key to scaling your impact and perhaps even reigniting your love for teaching and this incredible industry? Well, in today's episode, I'm sitting down with Olivia Bionni. She's a nationally certified Pilates teacher, educator, podcaster and now author of the Pilates Teacher's Manual, the book. Now she's built a global platform to help instructors to really thrive and to share how mentorship and storytelling can really shift the way that you perhaps grow in your career as a teacher, an instructor and a business owner. Well, hi there, I'm Saren Glanfield. I'm a business and marketing strategist just for boutique fitness studio owners like you. If you're ready to be inspired and make a bigger impact, you're in the right place. All you need are a few key strategies, the right mindset and some support along the way. Join me as I share the real life insights that will help you grow a sustainable and profitable studio.

Speaker 1:

This is the Pilates Business Podcast. Profitable studio this is the Pilates Business Podcast. Welcome back to the Pilates Business Podcast. I'm Saran. Thank you so much for joining me here today. This is the place to be if you want to know how to go from perhaps being a little overwhelmed and perhaps a little overworked to being a little bit more organized, a little bit more inspired and, yes, even a little bit more profitable in your business. Now you're in luck today, not only because I've had my matcha ice latte and I am trying really hard to speak really slowly with you guys, so I don't lose you, but we're really in luck because I am joined today by someone who has made it her mission to uplift and empower and mentor Pilates teachers around the world.

Speaker 1:

Olivia Bione is the founder of Olivia Bione Wellness. She's the host of the Pilates Teacher's Manual podcast and the Pilates Student Manual podcast as well Two podcasts, you guys, and I know how much work that must be. And now, in on top of all of that, is the author of the Pilates teacher's manual, the book. Now she's also taught across many different studios and been with inside of different training programs, and her her work to sort of spread the word began in 2020 when she launched that podcast, and I know so many of you are always looking for inspiration and to hear from other teachers around the world on how they've built their business and their career and how to build a sustainable career in Pilates, and so I'm so excited that you're here with us, olivia, welcome.

Speaker 2:

Oh my gosh. Thank you for that very kind introduction and thank you so much for having me on the show. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 1:

I'm so glad you're here. I'm so glad you're here, and you know, I think I like to always give a strong introduction, but there's nothing like quite hearing from you, the guest, a little bit more about how you came into the world of Pilates and obviously you have been quite the taken on quite a lot of projects in this industry over that time. So tell us a little bit about how it all came about. I'd love to hear. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

It's one of those things where, looking back, you're like oh so all of those things that I was doing that didn't seem related have just tied together in this very cute little bow. So I've always been active. I was a soccer player as a kid and played competitively through high school and I had an injury when I was in high school and it turned out that contact sports was not going to be the way that I was going to be able to keep moving my body, as happens with a lot of athletes. So I found yoga, which was a lovely low-impact mind-body connection sort of thing. I was doing yoga, I did my yoga teacher training, I got married, I moved to Chicago and I was trying to do the yoga thing.

Speaker 2:

And yoga studios tend to be organized just a little bit differently than Pilates studios, with big breaks between classes and maybe if you're teaching at a yoga studio you're teaching one or two classes a week. You're not teaching enough hours to really support yourself, so then you're running all over the city trying to teach enough hours to also pay your rent. I knew that that wasn't going to work. After like three minutes of living in Chicago I was like this is not it, but luckily, I was also working at a studio that had Pilates classes and I did not fall in love with Pilates the first time I saw it. I saw the Allegro Reformers with the tower attachments and I was like, oh my gosh, that looks scary, that looks so intimidating. I don't know why anyone voluntarily does that. But look at me now. I heard the person who was running the teacher training talking about the body and about movement and I realized that that depth was something that was missing in my yoga experience and I said I want that. I don't know about Pilates, but I know that that way that you're talking, the way you're engaging with clients, the want that I don't know about Pilates, but I know that that way that you're talking, the way you're engaging with clients, the fact that you're able to work one-on-one with people and teach more classes, that definitely resonates with me. So I got into Pilates. That way. I signed up for teacher training without ever having been on a reformer. So it does happen and I really fell in love.

Speaker 2:

And the more I taught, the more I loved it. The more people I worked with, the more I deepened my own understanding and my first teacher training I knew for me that this was it and I felt like I stumbled into it, but I was there. I also have a background in theater. I have done a lot of theater stuff and I also have a degree in education, so I've done a lot of teaching stuff. So, like the stars aligned through a whole lifetime no-transcript not the diversified portfolio that I thought it was, but now, with lockdowns, had a lot of time to really think about how to make Pilates work in a virtual space. Like the whole reason behind starting the podcast to begin with was that I wanted to create a resource that I wish I had when I started teaching, because through I moved to Chicago in 2016.

Speaker 2:

In like three, four years, there was a lot of stumbling, a lot of making mistakes, a lot of taking on more classes than I was able to handle or teaching really late in the evening and turning around and teaching very early in the morning, and it's not even that any of those things are bad and they were all very valuable learning experiences. But I just thought to myself if I could just tell a person who's in their teacher training that they don't have to do it, that way they would be able to be a successful teacher a lot faster, they would feel a lot more at home in the industry, they would feel that this was a sustainable career. Not, you come out the gate with all of this enthusiasm, you run yourself ragged for two years and then you have to quit. So I was like I saw that happening to other teachers. I very nearly fell victim to it myself and I was like I think that there's a better way or at least more than the way that you might see just in front of you that there's other options, there's other places you can teach other ways to set up your schedule. So I originally started the podcast with that in mind and so I started Teacher's Manual first.

Speaker 2:

I started Student's Manual because the people I was teaching group classes to were very pleased that I had started a podcast, but it didn't really apply to them and they really wanted to learn more about Pilates, but maybe not about creating a sustainable schedule as a teacher, but like the background or the history of Pilates or what their teacher means. When they say stuff that we say all the time like resist the resistance, and they're like that sounds cool, but what is it? Or why would I put my heels on the footbar instead of my toes when I do a bridge, like I don't understand. And teachers aren't giving lectures when they're teaching, they're taking you through the movement part of it. So I created that podcast as a resource for students who are looking to learn more, who didn't want to become teachers necessarily Maybe they do down the line but they wanted that depth of understanding for themselves and their Pilates practice.

Speaker 2:

So I started that, and then, almost as soon as I had started the podcast, I knew I wanted it to be a book, because podcasts have this nice quality of having a chat with someone. It feels like you're talking with a friend, you're sitting down, you're drinking coffee or having your matcha latte together, but it is a little bit more roundabout way of getting to information. So I wanted the book so that you could control F on an e-book and find exactly what you're looking for, scan the table of contents and get right to it. And so the book was a long time coming, but it is officially out now, very much inspired by podcast episodes but trimmed down and cleaned up, and I hope that that is also a resource for teachers as they continue in this industry, yeah, so tell us a little bit about so, when you started the podcast in 2020?.

Speaker 2:

Like March, Like the first I released, like the first, like hey, I'm doing a podcast episode in February and then when you shut down, like within the month I had released three episodes and I was like oh, boy.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah, and then a lot, and then a lot happened. It wasn't just that month.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, certainly yeah, and ongoing, definitely yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so you've taken, you you have. I mean, I think it takes a lot of courage to do what you've done and step into that role of seeing the gap, um, and then sort of deciding to be the one to to fill it. You know, I think it's it's like, uh, it does take a lot of courage and I would like to sort of dive into that a little bit because, um, I I'm sure there are moments where you is this the right? Do I want to do this, is this? You know what? How did you sort of get to grips with all of the feelings that often comes with stepping up and stepping in to roles like that.

Speaker 2:

No, I definitely had those moments of kind of faltering where I I did think to myself that because I, when I first started teaching, I thought, well, I don't want anyone to think that I'm a brand new teacher, so I'll just say I've been teaching for like a few years because I had been teaching yoga and like I'd been teaching movement and I'd been familiar, and I didn't want to tell people that when I started teaching at Club Pilates in 2018, that I had been a teacher for three months, you know like I was. I was nervous and I was embarrassed and I thought that it wouldn't have the same impact because I was too new. And then, even starting the podcast, I did have an actual few years of teaching under my belt. So I had really deep conversations with my partner because I was worried. I was like what if I am absolutely making this up? There is definitely some imposter syndrome. What if I start saying things and people are like you're not a real teacher? Who are you to say anything?

Speaker 2:

But what my partner really grounded me with is that if you've learned anything in the time that you've been a teacher, then you can share that with people. You don't need more legitimacy than you've done it and you do have these experiences and you can share it. So I definitely don't set out to have the answer for everyone, but I can definitely explore and use my own experience as a teaching tool and and that and it's also one of those things like I just read Atomic Habits with my management team at Club Pilates and like you build the habit, like you become the podcaster now use this platform to share with people. So you know you're learning by doing, but and growing by doing, and just doing, like it's one step in front of another. It's like creating the system that you have the workflow in place where it's not a question of am I going to do this, it's just, this is what I do, and that like it didn't feel courageous.

Speaker 2:

Like I'm thinking back on the times where I was like, oh man, I don't know. Or like what if what I say is going to be used out of context or people are going to be mad about this because they disagree or something. But just coming back to, also, I always think of Emily Dickinson's poem like if I can stop one heart from breaking, like if I can help one teacher create a sustainable career and that one teacher teaches as many people as they teach over the course of their career, the positive impact is magnified and amplified and just incalculable how much positive impact helping one person can have. So I still don't think that I know everything, but I do know things and I can offer guidance and share my experience. So that's really what encouraged me to just take the plunge and do the thing.

Speaker 1:

Well, I think that's so inspiring because I think so many of us have these hesitations and things, and it's so inspiring because I think so many of us have these hesitations and things and it's always.

Speaker 1:

I think that to assume that other people don't, I think, is a misconception. And so, you know, when you see people taking leaps like you took and you continue to take, you know these are big deals. You know you're two podcasts and a book plus you're teaching, and this is a lot that you're. You know you're you're doing and giving. And I think to assume that there's this sort of uh, you know that there is not sort of other emotions happening alongside it that you others would expect to also have is, you know, it's not always, it's not the case generally, and I think what the difference between those who do like you have done and those who perhaps wait or pause or don't do, is that you're willing to work through the feelings that come with taking on something that is a little bit challenging and perhaps a little bit uncomfortable, and so for that is incredibly courageous, I think.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's so funny that you say that, because incredibly courageous, I think. See that hesitation or that self-doubt that can come up, because a lot of times we're presenting a very public persona, like when we're teaching. We're not complaining about, you know, the fact that our sink's broken or maintenance requests are backed up, or you got a terrible night's sleep and your cat puked on your pillow, like you don't. That's not how you lead the stuff that you're presenting, but we're all human, having a very human experience, and we have days where things come really easy and we've got lots of energy, and we've got days where things are a little bit harder.

Speaker 2:

And I think it's also very much about moving forward, regardless of the speed. It's not about how fast you get where you're going, but the fact that you have a plan and a direction, that you want to go and that you're you're making your way there because you know you're doing this bio for me and talking about all these things I did and it's been, you know, five years. So I think a lot of times we overestimate what we can accomplish in a day, but underestimate what we can accomplish in one year or five years. So if in 2020, you said oh, you know this is what you're going to do in five years. I don't know if I would have believed you. I'd be like, all right.

Speaker 1:

Okay, yeah, and that comes back to that Atomic Habits book. Right, if you've not, if if those listening have not have not read that book or aren't familiar with it. It's a really interesting book about how to build great habits and what kind of you know what. What really moves the needle and makes a difference is a really interesting book. But that is that concept really as well is that we tend to sort of overestimate what we can do in a short period of time and underestimate what's possible for us long term. We sort of are very short-sighted in lots of ways, don't, I think?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean I can share. In addition to doing Pilates, I also still love yoga. I do a ton of yoga and I'm getting into running, kind of to reclaim it, because as a soccer player you have to run a lot. I was a midfielder and running was a lot of times a punishment. If your coach was mad at you for things, then you would get to run for long periods of time. So I'm getting to running is kind of reclaiming it and doing this thing. That's good for me, but for myself, not because someone's yelling at me to do it and I, you know, just was able to run a 5k and that's been six months. You know, starting from and like people look at that and they're like, well, of course you could do that, and I was like, yeah, but when I started I was jogging for 30 seconds, you know, and then walking for three minutes. So it's the incremental build. It's not the cannonball. Always that is the result.

Speaker 1:

It's the dipping your toe in the pool and then just like getting more wet as you go in. You know Consistency and showing up for sure. Okay, tell us about the book. I want to know. You know we. You know you have the podcast and then you had the second podcast and you always wanted to be an author. Is that how that came about, or was it something else that prompted it? And what was the process for you like?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't think I was ever wanting to be an author, although that is very cool and I do really enjoy. I do enjoy that I can say that now. For me, it was always about you, always about how can I help the most people, how can I connect with the most people. And when you're teaching Pilates, you help all the people in your classes. So maybe you're teaching one-on-one sessions, so you're helping one person every hour. You're able to work with them. If you're teaching group classes, great, maybe you can teach 12 people in an hour. Maybe you can teach. If you're doing mat classes, you can teach a whole stadium in an hour, potentially. And so the podcast was also like people could find this when I'm not there physically, but I could be there and I can offer that insight and really, if people had questions, I could direct them to something instead of taking time to answer that question. I could be like oh, I talked about this for a good 30 minutes. You can go listen to me chat about it.

Speaker 2:

So a book is something that's evergreen, that you can have on your phone. I've released it as an e-book and I am a reader myself. I love to read more than listening to podcasts. I don't know, that's just the media format and I know, as a podcaster I feel like that's probably blasphemous to say but I don't actually listen to a ton of podcasts, but I do read a ton of podcast transcripts. So there's that, a ton of podcast transcripts. So there's that. So reading is just my jam.

Speaker 2:

And I also thought a lot about people who maybe English isn't their first language. My partner, english is not his first language and I'm not sure if I'm the only one who's been in that situation, but I think it's. And how sometimes when people are talking and I know especially, like I'm learning to speak Korean we don't always pause at the spaces between words. So it can be really difficult when you're listening to information to know what someone's saying, especially when you don't have the visual cues of the person's body language. Of the person's body language, it can be hard sometimes to understand or if there's an idiom or slang or things like that.

Speaker 2:

So I always knew I wanted like transcripts of the podcast so that people could read it and potentially translate it. And then seeing how many people were listening to the podcast on so many different continents, like I wanted to be understood as much as reaching people. So I thought the book would be a really great way to do that. Reaching people. So I thought the book would be a really great way to do that and kind of the condensed version that, if you're, I have teacher friends who will listen to my podcast while they're doing dishes, and so it's great to have that where you're doing something else but you're still tuned into the podcast.

Speaker 2:

But for people who want to read or want that resource and just having a table of contents, where it's really easy, and especially in the book, I was able to group commonalities, common ideas together.

Speaker 2:

If I was talking about group teaching, or I was talking about teaching privates, or I was talking about, you know, working in a studio or some of the soft skills or just working with people in general, things that you want to know right out the gate, things that become more interesting to you the more you teach. I was able to organize some of my thoughts and kind of clean up some of my thoughts, because podcasting can be a lot of not quite stream of consciousness but you're sharing things and sometimes you're learning what you're saying as you're saying it. You're making those connections. So I was able to sharpen up some of my points and really get to the key of what I wanted to share, which sometimes I'll be having a podcast episode and there's like the whole thing could be condensed to one sentence that I finally got to at the end. So I wanted that resource to be, uh, to be there as well and just kind of consolidated that you don't need the internet also to be able to listen to it.

Speaker 1:

Right right, right right. So how long did it take you to put it all together, because there's so much I'm sure you wanted to put? Did you find you just was like I can't make this?

Speaker 2:

5,000 pages long, oh my gosh. Well, I kind of did and now I'm thinking like, oh man, like there's more. I didn't even talk about if you should use music in your classes, or like best practices for using music. So there's already things that I'm thinking about including or reorganizing in like a second version or a second edition of it. I'd thought about it seriously for about two years but then, like really sat down to do it in about six months and once again going back to Atomic Habits, it's like okay. Like saying you want to do this and doing this are like not the same, like we have to start doing things to be doing this.

Speaker 2:

So part of it was working with an editor. My sister also works as editing and doing editing work. So I started like setting calls with her and having deadlines and like really holding myself to a bit of a schedule and then also knowing that if I didn't hit those deadlines like these are all very self-imposed goals, like I'm a very self-motivated person. So having the flexibility and the grace that when things come up and are crazy that if I don't hit, I got through this whole section of the book today, like it's okay, crazy that if I don't hit. I got through this whole section of the book today, like it's okay, but about six months of you know, going through the podcast episodes, like what is the most important? What is you know in the in the book? Like what do I want people to know? What do I think is like the most important stuff?

Speaker 2:

So it was a lot of cutting down for the book. I like put everything that I thought was potentially possible and then just cut like crazy and just trimmed and reorganized. And it's kind of fantastic that my sister is not involved in Pilates at all because then she could ask very real questions about things that a layperson may not know. So it helped me get clearer on things. Because I also didn't take time to just do the book. Like I was still teaching my full course load.

Speaker 2:

I was still. I did take like an extra month hiatus on the podcast but like I was still doing the majority of like working and living, I didn't go on sabbatical. So it probably could have been faster if I had turned everything off to just focus. But you know life happens and I still really enjoy teaching and I didn't want to stop that just so that I could do this. So it took longer, but well worth it, I think. And then, as soon as I finished, I was like oh, and then I could write another book about this. So I was like very ambitious, so like maybe it's like, oh's like, oh, we have a boy.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's my next question is okay, so two podcasts and a book, and what's next for you? What are your? Because, obviously you're. You are driven and motivated, like you say, but you have very clear intention behind the the projects and the work that you do. So where does that lead you? Where do you feel like you're heading next?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm really lucky. I have an excellent position in the Club Pilates Chicago organization. So there's one owner who owns now nine studios in the Chicago area and I work as a lead instructor. So, yay, more hats. But I get to do a lot of in-person mentoring for our instructor team, who are fantastic and incredible and on the ground teaching real people from six in the morning until 830 at night, like some of the best teachers and colleagues that one could ask for night, like some of the best teachers and colleagues that one could ask for. So definitely putting a lot of energy into working with people in that capacity.

Speaker 2:

For myself, I'm also a continuing education provider for the National Pilates Certification Program, so I think I'll be taking sections of the book where it's like group class programming strategies and trying to make a workshop. So now you'll have it. If you want to listen to it super long form, I've got it on a podcast. If you want to get in, get out on your own time, it's available in a book. And if you want to hang out with me for three hours and we can like chat about it, I'm looking into developing a workshop series where it's more interactive, because podcasting and books are very much like here you go into the world. So I like the idea of having that connection with teachers again and then also being able to fill a gap that people have that if they're nationally certified Pilates teachers, they do need to do continuing education and I've found for myself that the continuing education that's like new choreography on a piece of equipment is like really fun and worthwhile but doesn't necessarily improve your teaching or improve or like give you the next level in your career, kind of thing. So workshop series definitely something about that Coming up down the pipe no specified timeline have not set that in motion, but that's an idea. That's kind of floating around in my head.

Speaker 2:

And then also thinking about kind of my teaching philosophy and something that has come out of the podcast and me talking through all of my ideas and you know why I teach, the way I teach, why I teach how I teach, who I teach all of those things coming together, kind of distilling that into what I'm loosely calling dimensions of difficulty and exercises, progressions and regressions. It's not a line as much as it's a three-dimensional space that you can play with that. You can play with range of movement and flexibility, you can play with coordination, you can play with complexity and you can play with load, and all of those things go together in Pilates. And so thinking about ways to get even clearer about that so that I can share because this is something that Pilates teachers have to do all the time you see someone and you want them to do a plank or something and they can't do the plank, and so then you have to ask the question okay, they can't do the thing that I'm asking them to do, like what isn't working? How can I adjust it now, because it's happening in real time? And then how can I know for the next time I cue this exercise, that this is like a common pitfall or a common issue that someone might have with this exercise? How can I know that that's coming and then be ready and like maybe start the exercise smaller? So I love playing with that.

Speaker 2:

It feels like very much like being a DJ, but it's like a Pilates DJ kind of thing, and so like what can you dial up? What can you dial down? Where can you offer support? How can you offer challenge when you've got super rock stars who can just like do anything? And so really seeing exercises as a spectrum versus this is the rollover. But it's like what if you wanted the rollover to be harder? Like okay, like what if you wanted the rollover to be harder? Like okay, like what are you going to do? Like, if a person can't lift their hips? Like how are we going to get them there? So, like building bridges, not only for teachers and helping them understand in teaching you know where they can, how they can grow, but also for the people you're teaching. Like how can we identify gaps, anticipate gaps and then, you know, grow from there.

Speaker 1:

So if I read another book, it's that one. That's the one. Yeah, I did a fantastic like Matt Reformer Tower, like medley, yesterday with my fantastic instructor and it was very fun. And it's like you know you do, you know I, I'm, you know I, I follow the classical um, you know method um, predominantly with all of my Pilates that I do, just cause that's my world and my teachers and are all that way and um, and then you throw in a little change here and there. It's like oh, this is, this is fun and it's the same, but it's different and it keeps things kind of fun.

Speaker 1:

You know it's great.

Speaker 2:

I mean, that's all Pilates man. Like whether you're changing the piece of equipment, changing the exercise, it's the same shapes and they're just echoing and calling back to each other.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Facing a different way, doing it all different. Anyway, it was great. It was great fun. Well, I would love to see that.

Speaker 2:

So I'm going to we'll bring you back on when you have that. Yes, the next book definitely.

Speaker 1:

Well, fantastic. Well, thank you so much, Olivia, for being so open and honest and about your journey and what you're doing. Why don't you just quickly share how people can connect with you and all of your work and all of the different things that you do?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'll definitely send the links to Sarah and so that she can share them. But I'm on Instagram. I have Olivia Bionni. Wellness is just me If you want to follow the podcast. I've got Pilates Teacher's Manual and Pilates Student's Manual on Instagram and also Facebook. My spot for Pilates merch and the book is shopoliviabionnicom. And then I do have a podcast community where we get to do monthly coffee chats and check in about anything People who have questions about exercises, who have questions about what teacher training they're curious about things like that. That's buymeacoffeecom. Slash Olivia podcasts, but I look forward to connecting.

Speaker 1:

Fantastic. Thank you so much for being here. I really, really appreciate it and appreciate everything that you do to support all of our teachers in our industry. It's so fantastic. Thank you Well, right back at you, saren, if you enjoyed what you heard today. I would absolutely love it if you could go to wherever you're listening to this and rate and review this podcast. It would mean a ton to me and also help to get this out there into our fantastic community of teachers and studio owners, so that they, too, can feel encouraged and inspired on their journey. Did you love this episode and want more? Head to spring3.com and check out my free resources that will help you run a profitable and fulfilling studio business. And, before you go, one last reminder there is no one way to do what you do, only your way. So whatever it is that you want to do, create or offer, you've got this. Thanks again for joining me today and have a wonderful rest of your day.